Bob Tuskin questions Noam Chomsky about 9/11. His shocking response and position over the years on 9/11 has baffled many. He invited AE 9/11 truth to present…
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Noam Chomsky Has No Opinion on Building 7
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Chomsky's argument- a. Bush wanted to attack Iraq and needed an excuse b. 911 is a poor excuse since all the hijackers were Saudis, not Iraqis c. To plan and use 911 as an excuse means therefore that they are either lunatics or that they didn't do it. d. they are clearly not lunatics therefore they didn't do it.
But surely premise b is defective since "truthers" have shown a whole range of reasons for planning 911 other than invasion of Iraq e.g. curtailing americans' democratic freedoms
But surely premise b is defective since "truthers" have shown a whole range of reasons for planning 911 other than invasion of Iraq e.g. curtailing americans' democratic freedoms
The NIST report, which is the official scientific analysis of building 7's collapse admits that building 7 fell at freefall speed for just over 2.25 seconds for which they offer no scientific explanation They only admitted this after pressure from "truthers" who scientifically timed the collapse of the building. They base their "scientific" analysis of the collapse on computer models the parameters of which they refuse to divulge for peer review.
Oh! Like you have to be a friggin genius to see building 7 fall and not know it was explosives? This idiot is a fucking lunatic and people are beyond stupid for listening to his drivel. Stupid old prick.
Yeah no one's beyond reproach. Discussing the fed is a bit out of my area of expertise (see all you truthers? It's ok to admit you're not knowledgeable on everything!) and this comment section isn't the place for it. Truthers do like to get in a flap about that too though, what with them being economics experts as well as being demolition, architectural, structural, physics, explosives, psychology, aerodynamics, political science and intelligence experts too.
Agree with you and Chomsky on this one TCB. Chomsky is not beyond reproach however, it seems he is out of touch when it comes to The Fed.
that's true, I still believe that the means to discriminate these sources lies totally within following the criteria of acadmia. As Chomsky says: "So many people suspect that Physicists, engineers, professional departments, universities are scared or intimidated by the power of the government. Confronting the government is not a risk, people risk more than that everyday. If someone has evidence to prove it was demolished, the path is straightforward to get it in open"
(on building 7 collapse.)
(on building 7 collapse.)
Oh, I am old and fergit things! Was it building 5 that had fuel tank and very few central columns? And I am talking about after the 2 main buildings sheared off some supports. "I am no expert" ! sorry
Lol look at all the 9/11 conspiracy basement dwellers flocking to the comment section...
Chomsky, talking complete fucking shite. Take it to the scientific community... hahahaha Same Scientific community that's ran and funded by the cunts behind 911.
Never heard so much shit in my entire life.
Never heard so much shit in my entire life.
I didn't say it was a grand conspiracy.
Err yes you did. Read your comments back.
Anyway, bed.
Anyway, bed.
Nobody should care what anonymous internet posters believe, and your belief that people should only shows your lack of understanding.
Anyway I'm off to bed.
As I said before. Put your money where your mouth is if you think there's something fishy. Do a collaboration. If a small group of families can do it here millions of truthers can do it there.
Finally, if this was a conspiracy it will come out eventually as they always do.
As I said before. Put your money where your mouth is if you think there's something fishy. Do a collaboration. If a small group of families can do it here millions of truthers can do it there.
Finally, if this was a conspiracy it will come out eventually as they always do.
I didn't claim that. You're not very smart, are you?
Even if you don't. You're still making an extraordinary claim that WTC 7 was deliberately demolished as some sort of spooky cover thing.
Hahaha I love how people cry the word 'Straw Man' like it makes them sound more intelligent. What do you believe 911 was then?
If you have something put your money where your mouth is. Put your time and effort into it. Don't just pointlessly argue on YT or preach to the choir. Do something about it. Convince me and millions like me it was all a grand conspiracy.
Stop being a pussy and deleting comments.
No you're playing dumb. There is nothing to stop you carrying out a mass collaboration in both finance and labour. The fact is none of you have the balls to do it because you have fuck all. The reality is you like believing this is all a conspiracy because it makes the world more fun.
The UK government is no more forgiving than the US government. You're a freer and more open country than ours. Use that to your advantage.
No you're playing dumb. There is nothing to stop you carrying out a mass collaboration in both finance and labour. The fact is none of you have the balls to do it because you have fuck all. The reality is you like believing this is all a conspiracy because it makes the world more fun.
The UK government is no more forgiving than the US government. You're a freer and more open country than ours. Use that to your advantage.
Straw man. I didn't say 9/11 was an inside job.
It doesn't make it any less true, either.
The UK is not the USA. In the UK there was serious talk of prosecuting Blair for war crimes. No such talk in the USA.
We need a subpoena to compel witnesses to testify. You are playing dumb.
We need a subpoena to compel witnesses to testify. You are playing dumb.
Repeating the same comment you wrote earlier doesn't make it any truer.
I repeat.
How come the HIllsborough families in the UK managed it (look it up) but millions of truthers can't. Crowd fund it, there's millions of you you'll make that much money in no time.
You don't need to subpoena. Again, the Hillsborough familes didn't and that actually was a conspiracy. Why do you need subpoena?
How come the HIllsborough families in the UK managed it (look it up) but millions of truthers can't. Crowd fund it, there's millions of you you'll make that much money in no time.
You don't need to subpoena. Again, the Hillsborough familes didn't and that actually was a conspiracy. Why do you need subpoena?
It's a straw man? Hahaha demanding proof for an extraordinary claim is a straw man now? Fucking hell LMAO! You must've worked for a tobacco company in another life.
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Chomsky's argument- a. Bush wanted to attack Iraq and needed an excuse b. 911 is a poor excuse since all the hijackers were Saudis, not Iraqis c. To plan and use 911 as an excuse means therefore that they are either lunatics or that they didn't do it. d. they are clearly not lunatics therefore they didn't do it.
But surely premise b is defective since "truthers" have shown a whole range of reasons for planning 911 other than invasion of Iraq e.g. curtailing americans' democratic freedoms
The NIST report, which is the official scientific analysis of building 7's collapse admits that building 7 fell at freefall speed for just over 2.25 seconds for which they offer no scientific explanation They only admitted this after pressure from "truthers" who scientifically timed the collapse of the building. They base their "scientific" analysis of the collapse on computer models the parameters of which they refuse to divulge for peer review.
Oh! Like you have to be a friggin genius to see building 7 fall and not know it was explosives? This idiot is a fucking lunatic and people are beyond stupid for listening to his drivel. Stupid old prick.
Yeah no one's beyond reproach. Discussing the fed is a bit out of my area of expertise (see all you truthers? It's ok to admit you're not knowledgeable on everything!) and this comment section isn't the place for it. Truthers do like to get in a flap about that too though, what with them being economics experts as well as being demolition, architectural, structural, physics, explosives, psychology, aerodynamics, political science and intelligence experts too.
Agree with you and Chomsky on this one TCB. Chomsky is not beyond reproach however, it seems he is out of touch when it comes to The Fed.
that’s true, I still believe that the means to discriminate these sources lies totally within following the criteria of acadmia. As Chomsky says: “So many people suspect that Physicists, engineers, professional departments, universities are scared or intimidated by the power of the government. Confronting the government is not a risk, people risk more than that everyday. If someone has evidence to prove it was demolished, the path is straightforward to get it in open”
(on building 7 collapse.)
Oh, I am old and fergit things! Was it building 5 that had fuel tank and very few central columns? And I am talking about after the 2 main buildings sheared off some supports. "I am no expert" ! sorry
Lol look at all the 9/11 conspiracy basement dwellers flocking to the comment section…
Chomsky, talking complete fucking shite. Take it to the scientific community… hahahaha Same Scientific community that’s ran and funded by the cunts behind 911.
Never heard so much shit in my entire life.
I did not. Go to bed, liar.
I didn't say it was a grand conspiracy.
Err yes you did. Read your comments back.
Anyway, bed.
Nobody should care what anonymous internet posters believe, and your belief that people should only shows your lack of understanding.
Anyway I'm off to bed.
As I said before. Put your money where your mouth is if you think there's something fishy. Do a collaboration. If a small group of families can do it here millions of truthers can do it there.
Finally, if this was a conspiracy it will come out eventually as they always do.
I didn't claim that. You're not very smart, are you?
Even if you don't. You're still making an extraordinary claim that WTC 7 was deliberately demolished as some sort of spooky cover thing.
Hahaha I love how people cry the word 'Straw Man' like it makes them sound more intelligent. What do you believe 911 was then?
If you have something put your money where your mouth is. Put your time and effort into it. Don't just pointlessly argue on YT or preach to the choir. Do something about it. Convince me and millions like me it was all a grand conspiracy.
Stop being a pussy and deleting comments.
No you’re playing dumb. There is nothing to stop you carrying out a mass collaboration in both finance and labour. The fact is none of you have the balls to do it because you have fuck all. The reality is you like believing this is all a conspiracy because it makes the world more fun.
The UK government is no more forgiving than the US government. You’re a freer and more open country than ours. Use that to your advantage.
Straw man. I didn’t say 9/11 was an inside job.
It doesn’t make it any less true, either.
The UK is not the USA. In the UK there was serious talk of prosecuting Blair for war crimes. No such talk in the USA.
We need a subpoena to compel witnesses to testify. You are playing dumb.
Repeating the same comment you wrote earlier doesn't make it any truer.
I repeat.
How come the HIllsborough families in the UK managed it (look it up) but millions of truthers can't. Crowd fund it, there's millions of you you'll make that much money in no time.
You don't need to subpoena. Again, the Hillsborough familes didn't and that actually was a conspiracy. Why do you need subpoena?
It’s a straw man? Hahaha demanding proof for an extraordinary claim is a straw man now? Fucking hell LMAO! You must’ve worked for a tobacco company in another life.
The firefighters' statements about WTC7 are all over the map. They do not corroborate each other.
Oh here we go. Now I'm a bot haha.
Typical conspiraloon guff. Least bot is different than the normal shill accusation.
You make no sense. Your post has nothing to do with what I said. Are you a bot?
They do corroborate each other. Read their statements. They all say 'there was damage to WTC 7, it looked like it was gonna collapse so we pulled out'
You're deliberately missing the point I'm making about the Hillsborough families. Read what I said again.
Your demand for proof of inside job is a childish straw man.
The 9/11 commission had subpoena power and $15 million. We need a new investigation with subpoena power.
Your constant banging on about WTC 7 earlier. Stop moving the goalposts. I know that's a common tactic with conspiraloons. You do one of three things. You either accuse someone of being a shill when they disagree, you shift the goalposts and say 'I never said that' or just run away.
Right. Good for him. Did he show it was an inside job though? You seem to be confused. What I'm suggesting you truthers do is do a report like the 911 commission. Stop making excuses. Give a point by point account of what happened that day like the 911 commission and the numerous other investigations did. An account with actual evidence. Until such time I think you're just a bunch of whiners with no balls.
Where do you get the idea that I was supporting the inside job theory?
As a "reporter" he has little credibility.
The 9/11 Commission report was corrupt. Shenon show that.
He was also a goal keeper and green party election candidate what's your point?
Seems Shenon is discussing the process and criticising it. Hardly a surprise, pretty much every government investigation is open to criticism and has failings. Pretty big leap to say he thinks it's an inside job though, especially when he openly agrees with the face that it wasn't.
But by the time the 9/11 commission opened its doors in 2003, many of the most outrageous, if well circulated, of the theories – that the attacks were an inside job by the Bush administration, that the Twin Towers were brought down by preplaced explosives, that the Pentagon was hit by a missile and not a plane – had been well debunked.
I confess I haven't read the book and neither have you apprently seeing as you're citing him as a source to support the inside job theory.
I take back the line that Shenon's a conspiracy theorist:
Quote from the book you mentioned:
'The conspiracy theories about 9/11 began to circulate long before the ashes had stopped smoldering at ground zero. That was no surprise. After an event as horrifying and – to the public – unexpected as 9/11, the darkest theories about it cause did not seem beyond belief. (cont)
The 9/11 widows gave the government 300 questions. They only got 27 answers. I never heard of the Hillsboroughs.
David Icke was a sports reporter.
All of them? Some of them? What kind of questions? Again, why is there no actual campaign group pressuring effectively? I ask you again, how come a small group of families were able to get the UK government to apologise and get the police to admit they lied and covered up events at the Hillsborough disaster, and yet what clearly amounts to more than a million people believing the inside job line aren't doing anything except speculating on the Internet?
The verinage demonstration I've seen shows a maybe 8-story building taken down from the middle, probably about 8 times as wide as it is tall.
Not exactly the same as taking down a 110-story building down from the top that was almost 7 times as tall as it was wide. Remember the top of a tall building is very light, but the lower stories must be built to hold up all the weight of the stories above them