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reason. It's about the victims, so honor them by not fighting verbally.
Thanx
reason. It's about the victims, so honor them by not fighting verbally.
Thanx
Religion is a prime example of rational people believing irrational things,
because the implications of the alternative are too much to cope with. Very
few people, regardless of their credentials, are truly able to remain
objective when dealing with something like the events of 9/11. Lets pretend
the towers didn't come down. Ask the leading architects, engineers,
and physicists in the world if they thought the impact of the planes into
the two towers and the resulting fires could have caused 3 towers to
completely collapse into piles of rubble only a fraction of their original
height. What do you think they would say?
because the implications of the alternative are too much to cope with. Very
few people, regardless of their credentials, are truly able to remain
objective when dealing with something like the events of 9/11. Lets pretend
the towers didn't come down. Ask the leading architects, engineers,
and physicists in the world if they thought the impact of the planes into
the two towers and the resulting fires could have caused 3 towers to
completely collapse into piles of rubble only a fraction of their original
height. What do you think they would say?
So when a couple of floors of truss fail, they send a signal to all the
other floors of truss and tell them to fail as well....
other floors of truss and tell them to fail as well....
It's a lie. In the South Tower when east wall started to collapse, only
east side of tower should be collapsed because there was no damage to inner
core and another walls.
east side of tower should be collapsed because there was no damage to inner
core and another walls.
Alien research worldwide disguised as schizophrenia research in Singapore,
does anybody know ?
does anybody know ?
These towers wouldn't fall by the plain crashes.. Did you know that a
bombplain in the WW2 flew into Empire state building, what happend? A big
hole and some fire, nothing more.
bombplain in the WW2 flew into Empire state building, what happend? A big
hole and some fire, nothing more.
how can you say that. there are so many things we dont know, 1. how can the
towers full in 10 sec? 2. how comes one last 55 mins and the other an hour
and 40 mins? 3. what is that white flash just before the plane hit one of
the towers? they are just things that have not been looked at. if you can
answer that then i will stop.
towers full in 10 sec? 2. how comes one last 55 mins and the other an hour
and 40 mins? 3. what is that white flash just before the plane hit one of
the towers? they are just things that have not been looked at. if you can
answer that then i will stop.
What aboud the toasted cars a half a mile away from ground zero?????
Writing objective and suggestive comments on here just creates confusion,
it's all moronic, distinguishing nutcases, conformists from intelligence is
definite impossibility through discursiveness. In the end we all know what
happens to nonviolent resistance.
it's all moronic, distinguishing nutcases, conformists from intelligence is
definite impossibility through discursiveness. In the end we all know what
happens to nonviolent resistance.
And you are afraid to let anyone else challenge it because you want to
remain convinced.
remain convinced.
And come on, small whole in Pentagon, no lawn damage, office workers and
heads of Government instantaneously removing forensic evidence, no video
footage, witnesses who were caught by a surprise glimpse of "The Plane"
going 400 miles an hour in a split second above their heads, the list is
endless for God's sake. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist, the
evidence is there for all to see
heads of Government instantaneously removing forensic evidence, no video
footage, witnesses who were caught by a surprise glimpse of "The Plane"
going 400 miles an hour in a split second above their heads, the list is
endless for God's sake. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist, the
evidence is there for all to see
Further more, as a rule, people don't generally notice jack shit unless it
smacks them in the face, even if they do they don't get the facts of what
they seen correct. The brain is a bizarre thing.
smacks them in the face, even if they do they don't get the facts of what
they seen correct. The brain is a bizarre thing.
I find it difficult to accept that people can't see things that are so
obvious, especially after the Nazi thing, It's not just denial, it's a
completely blinkered outlook on the World around them. Seeing things as
they really are is not the same as being a conspiracy theorist, of course
the amount of rubbish theories some people post along with dubunkers mixed
up with everything else causes a complete confusion about the whole thing,
which I guess in the end is how it's got away with.
obvious, especially after the Nazi thing, It's not just denial, it's a
completely blinkered outlook on the World around them. Seeing things as
they really are is not the same as being a conspiracy theorist, of course
the amount of rubbish theories some people post along with dubunkers mixed
up with everything else causes a complete confusion about the whole thing,
which I guess in the end is how it's got away with.
Don't worry about explaining building 7. Infrared images are available show
fires have a maximum temperature of 200 degrees. A stove is hotter than
this and the steel grate doesn't even come close to weakening. Big Dummy's.
fires have a maximum temperature of 200 degrees. A stove is hotter than
this and the steel grate doesn't even come close to weakening. Big Dummy's.
Offering theories is difficult. Believers can't see past there noses and
are patriotic cowards wallowing in denial. They cannot connect the dots
failing to realize offering some stupid excuse for lack of common sense on
a point by point attack will never prove coincidences converging overrules
physics. Don't worry about the drones. They won't wake up until it's too
late. Demanding answers to the hundreds of mistakes is not a conspiracy
theory they are confused.
are patriotic cowards wallowing in denial. They cannot connect the dots
failing to realize offering some stupid excuse for lack of common sense on
a point by point attack will never prove coincidences converging overrules
physics. Don't worry about the drones. They won't wake up until it's too
late. Demanding answers to the hundreds of mistakes is not a conspiracy
theory they are confused.
The bottom line is. Your all trying to make excuses for having to believe a
more difficult realization your too cowardly to accept. Your wimps every
last one of you. Were being divided when you idiots are unable to put all
the clues together and realize the ultimate goal. 9-11 is only step in the
process. Debating how the buildings were exploded keeps us distracted while
other events go unnoticed. These guys are good. You have been completely
bamboozled. Go ahead insult me. Big Dummies!
more difficult realization your too cowardly to accept. Your wimps every
last one of you. Were being divided when you idiots are unable to put all
the clues together and realize the ultimate goal. 9-11 is only step in the
process. Debating how the buildings were exploded keeps us distracted while
other events go unnoticed. These guys are good. You have been completely
bamboozled. Go ahead insult me. Big Dummies!
Believer's will never make the connection between the attack on 911 and the
thousands of Terrorist suspects arrested soon after, who while the families
awaited the trials to begin. They never did. All were quietly released
without any charges being filed cannot be answered when Terrorists are
believed to be responsible without investigating the event. This video is a
joke. A real investigation that wasn't delayed 447 days from starting, when
the evidence has long been destroyed is smoking gun.
thousands of Terrorist suspects arrested soon after, who while the families
awaited the trials to begin. They never did. All were quietly released
without any charges being filed cannot be answered when Terrorists are
believed to be responsible without investigating the event. This video is a
joke. A real investigation that wasn't delayed 447 days from starting, when
the evidence has long been destroyed is smoking gun.
I have my own theory why they collapsed after trawling through you tube,
not once have I found anyone point it out, so we'll keep it that way. I
know that's not an answer, but i'm convinced
not once have I found anyone point it out, so we'll keep it that way. I
know that's not an answer, but i'm convinced
Alex, and they are insulting the memory of everyone who died that day,
these conspiracy theory lunatics.
these conspiracy theory lunatics.
"I've watched that documentary and it's very revealing, although it's
merely a documentary and as such reflects the theories of interviewed and
consulted parties." Yes - and those consulted parties are highly-qualified
experts on the subject we're all asking about: Building engineering. And
they ALL believe that plane-crash damage + fire brought those buildings
down, NOT demolition. And how many of the folks challenging NIST have
credientials as good or better? None!
merely a documentary and as such reflects the theories of interviewed and
consulted parties." Yes - and those consulted parties are highly-qualified
experts on the subject we're all asking about: Building engineering. And
they ALL believe that plane-crash damage + fire brought those buildings
down, NOT demolition. And how many of the folks challenging NIST have
credientials as good or better? None!
"So within minutes we have established that the BBC deliberately appear to
ignore the fact that the basic support columns were the tremendously
powerful central cores." Yeah? Then what are they talking about at 6:50?
Truthers: Unable to make a case without lying.
ignore the fact that the basic support columns were the tremendously
powerful central cores." Yeah? Then what are they talking about at 6:50?
Truthers: Unable to make a case without lying.
We should be cautious when using the word "fact" in this context. There
exist facts which are not explainable, one I mentioned just now regarding
Les Robertson's - and others' - account of molten steel which is not
consistent with either aircraft impacts, fuel or carbon-based fires, let
alone structural failure itself. As I see it, the puzzle is not so neatly
put together, I'm afraid. These were intricate events taking place in an
even more intricate context. It is not in my nature to simplify.
exist facts which are not explainable, one I mentioned just now regarding
Les Robertson's - and others' - account of molten steel which is not
consistent with either aircraft impacts, fuel or carbon-based fires, let
alone structural failure itself. As I see it, the puzzle is not so neatly
put together, I'm afraid. These were intricate events taking place in an
even more intricate context. It is not in my nature to simplify.
The Design of the Buildings wasnt RADICAL at all , different yes. HUGE
FIRE, this is False, no Huge Fire existed, ALL Firefighters reported small
Fires easily extinguishable. YES the Black Smoke tells us the Fire was
Oxygen starved, but no doubt the Smoke will Kill. This Video is based on
Fabricated assumptions at best and being Old has been proved incorrect over
time. The HEAT was not even close to being able to Melt or buckle the
Steel. Ask yourself WHY most chose not to go to work that day ?
FIRE, this is False, no Huge Fire existed, ALL Firefighters reported small
Fires easily extinguishable. YES the Black Smoke tells us the Fire was
Oxygen starved, but no doubt the Smoke will Kill. This Video is based on
Fabricated assumptions at best and being Old has been proved incorrect over
time. The HEAT was not even close to being able to Melt or buckle the
Steel. Ask yourself WHY most chose not to go to work that day ?
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To all those who comment, remember the innocent ppl who died for no good
reason. It's about the victims, so honor them by not fighting verbally.
Thanx
Religion is a prime example of rational people believing irrational things,
because the implications of the alternative are too much to cope with. Very
few people, regardless of their credentials, are truly able to remain
objective when dealing with something like the events of 9/11. Lets pretend
the towers didn’t come down. Ask the leading architects, engineers,
and physicists in the world if they thought the impact of the planes into
the two towers and the resulting fires could have caused 3 towers to
completely collapse into piles of rubble only a fraction of their original
height. What do you think they would say?
So when a couple of floors of truss fail, they send a signal to all the
other floors of truss and tell them to fail as well….
It’s a lie. In the South Tower when east wall started to collapse, only
east side of tower should be collapsed because there was no damage to inner
core and another walls.
Alien research worldwide disguised as schizophrenia research in Singapore,
does anybody know ?
These towers wouldn’t fall by the plain crashes.. Did you know that a
bombplain in the WW2 flew into Empire state building, what happend? A big
hole and some fire, nothing more.
how can you say that. there are so many things we dont know, 1. how can the
towers full in 10 sec? 2. how comes one last 55 mins and the other an hour
and 40 mins? 3. what is that white flash just before the plane hit one of
the towers? they are just things that have not been looked at. if you can
answer that then i will stop.
watch jesse ventura view on 911 peace
What aboud the toasted cars a half a mile away from ground zero?????
Writing objective and suggestive comments on here just creates confusion,
it’s all moronic, distinguishing nutcases, conformists from intelligence is
definite impossibility through discursiveness. In the end we all know what
happens to nonviolent resistance.
And you are afraid to let anyone else challenge it because you want to
remain convinced.
And come on, small whole in Pentagon, no lawn damage, office workers and
heads of Government instantaneously removing forensic evidence, no video
footage, witnesses who were caught by a surprise glimpse of "The Plane"
going 400 miles an hour in a split second above their heads, the list is
endless for God's sake. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist, the
evidence is there for all to see
Further more, as a rule, people don't generally notice jack shit unless it
smacks them in the face, even if they do they don't get the facts of what
they seen correct. The brain is a bizarre thing.
I find it difficult to accept that people can’t see things that are so
obvious, especially after the Nazi thing, It’s not just denial, it’s a
completely blinkered outlook on the World around them. Seeing things as
they really are is not the same as being a conspiracy theorist, of course
the amount of rubbish theories some people post along with dubunkers mixed
up with everything else causes a complete confusion about the whole thing,
which I guess in the end is how it’s got away with.
Don't worry about explaining building 7. Infrared images are available show
fires have a maximum temperature of 200 degrees. A stove is hotter than
this and the steel grate doesn't even come close to weakening. Big Dummy's.
Offering theories is difficult. Believers can’t see past there noses and
are patriotic cowards wallowing in denial. They cannot connect the dots
failing to realize offering some stupid excuse for lack of common sense on
a point by point attack will never prove coincidences converging overrules
physics. Don’t worry about the drones. They won’t wake up until it’s too
late. Demanding answers to the hundreds of mistakes is not a conspiracy
theory they are confused.
The bottom line is. Your all trying to make excuses for having to believe a
more difficult realization your too cowardly to accept. Your wimps every
last one of you. Were being divided when you idiots are unable to put all
the clues together and realize the ultimate goal. 9-11 is only step in the
process. Debating how the buildings were exploded keeps us distracted while
other events go unnoticed. These guys are good. You have been completely
bamboozled. Go ahead insult me. Big Dummies!
Believer’s will never make the connection between the attack on 911 and the
thousands of Terrorist suspects arrested soon after, who while the families
awaited the trials to begin. They never did. All were quietly released
without any charges being filed cannot be answered when Terrorists are
believed to be responsible without investigating the event. This video is a
joke. A real investigation that wasn’t delayed 447 days from starting, when
the evidence has long been destroyed is smoking gun.
I have my own theory why they collapsed after trawling through you tube,
not once have I found anyone point it out, so we’ll keep it that way. I
know that’s not an answer, but i’m convinced
Alex, and they are insulting the memory of everyone who died that day,
these conspiracy theory lunatics.
11 september is 11 november
“I’ve watched that documentary and it’s very revealing, although it’s
merely a documentary and as such reflects the theories of interviewed and
consulted parties.” Yes – and those consulted parties are highly-qualified
experts on the subject we’re all asking about: Building engineering. And
they ALL believe that plane-crash damage + fire brought those buildings
down, NOT demolition. And how many of the folks challenging NIST have
credientials as good or better? None!
“So within minutes we have established that the BBC deliberately appear to
ignore the fact that the basic support columns were the tremendously
powerful central cores.” Yeah? Then what are they talking about at 6:50?
Truthers: Unable to make a case without lying.
We should be cautious when using the word “fact” in this context. There
exist facts which are not explainable, one I mentioned just now regarding
Les Robertson’s – and others’ – account of molten steel which is not
consistent with either aircraft impacts, fuel or carbon-based fires, let
alone structural failure itself. As I see it, the puzzle is not so neatly
put together, I’m afraid. These were intricate events taking place in an
even more intricate context. It is not in my nature to simplify.
The Design of the Buildings wasnt RADICAL at all , different yes. HUGE
FIRE, this is False, no Huge Fire existed, ALL Firefighters reported small
Fires easily extinguishable. YES the Black Smoke tells us the Fire was
Oxygen starved, but no doubt the Smoke will Kill. This Video is based on
Fabricated assumptions at best and being Old has been proved incorrect over
time. The HEAT was not even close to being able to Melt or buckle the
Steel. Ask yourself WHY most chose not to go to work that day ?
“actually took 11 Plus seconds for Tower 2 to collapse and Tower 1 12 +
seconds” Based on WHAT? Here’s a good view of the WTC1 collapse. Time it
yourself, then come back & tell me that’s 12 seconds. Not even close! 30
seems long, I agree; I’d put it at 20-25s.
Ridicule means make fun of
A discourse from start to finish?… The plane slammed along the East side
of the building. The columns on that side were SEVERELY damaged. They bowed
and buckled until they ultimately failed. Which is easily viewable on any
close up video. The top 33 floors of the building was then set in motion.
This is an entirely unrecoverable dynamic force on the structure. Which is
only designed to carry the loads in a static manner. Its not hard to
understand.
“Just” the commission report? Hardly! There are dozens, if not hundreds, of
peer-reviewed reports from independent engineering organizations,
universities & institutes. And they are ALL in agreement with what Leslie
Robertson knows: That plane-crash damage combined with uncontrolled fire
brought those towers down. Every serious engineering study on the WTC says
this; none dispute it. Accept it.
I wasn’t being facetious before when I asked for this reference. I would be
VERY interested in reading this article and perhaps find myself in a more
educated position to agree with this view you advocate. PM me if needed.
You have my gratitude!
Jet Fuel is Kerosene, funny not many people realise that. There was no 6 to
10 Movements back and forth as mentioned at 6.41, Firefighters state this
and also Video evidence clearly shows it moved once, and did not sway. Jet
Fuel can never get to the temperature required to melt Steel to Molten
point, add that to the fact that Video evidence shows the fires were
actually small in nature and Oxygen starved, hence the Black Smoke
You’re not just guessing here, right? Eight stories high with the same
footprint size? All the core structural steel, the 3 separate elevator
systems, the office materials and furniture, the floors and the outward
steel amounts only to 8 floors’ worth of material? I need to see this,
please, direct my attention to the source of this information because this
is extremely interesting. So if most of the building is on the ground,
where do the massive clouds of dust over the Hudson come from?
Les Robertson’s quotes are worth the same when they’re supporting your
point of view as much as when they’re referring to something anomalous and
to some extent contradictory with your viewpoint. Don’t take my word for
it, take the time to watch this brief clip. Paste this in your youtube
search field: 9/11 Contradictions: Leslie Robertson and Molten Metal
Sir, facts are often contradictory and remain nonetheless factual. (???!!)
What is contradictory about columns reducing in load carrying ability when
floors separate?. You can’t arm chair quarterback this any other way. Floor
separates? the columns associated with it drop in load carrying ability by
a logarithmic factor. Why do you think WTC 2 collapses first? It was hit
last. It collapses and fails exactly according to the variables incurred on
impact. Its not coincidence.
The hydraulic press works because the upper and lower steel surfaces act
together in compressing material with equal forces. WTC towers should have
only caused that amount of dust when the materials hit the ground, not
while its entire structure surrendered to the weight above. The laws of
physics (Newton’s 3rd) tell us otherwise, but, then again, these laws also
make the collapse and its speed very unlikely. Not to mention the laws of
conservation of momentum. There’s so much going against it.
I wish I were this sure about this as you seem to be. This is the
suspicious part about the bulk of the claims we hear around these parts:
one side would have us believe these buildings were massive and nigh on
indestructible super structures; others portray the towers as obsolescent
steel towers with as much resistance as an egg shell. Forgive me but I’m
naturally doubtful of extremes, especially since they seem to suit very
definite purposes in this dispute. Thank you nevertheless.
I’m sorry for not beeing so sure about the english name for the degrees. I
believe these people have a “degree of master” wich is 2 years of adv
studies (in sweden atleast) at a university. So the correct term would
probably be that they are licenced engineers and architects, but ofcourse
you already know this Tim. All the people on that list know more then me
(and probably more then you too) about how a building react to both an
airplane strike, and explosives. And I believe they would not lie.